April 2022

Download and own the latest version of this SCCM Cloud Management Gateway Installation Guide in a single PDF file.

The guide was recently updated to cover the latest method of building a Cloud management Gateway with the VM Scale set. The below information cover the CMG with Cloud Service (classic) which will be retired in Q1 2023.

The PDF file is a 50 pages document that contains all information to install a cloud management gateway with SCCM. Use our products page or use the button below to download it.

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The ConfigMgr team is working really hard to make SCCM admins job easier for some of the key components of Modern Management. Starting with SCCM 1806 release, they ease a bit the setup of the SCCM Cloud Management Gateway (CMG).

If you are new to the concept of SCCM Cloud Management Gateway, the main advantage is that it doesn’t expose your SCCM servers to the internet. The downside is that it requires an Azure subscription which brings recurring monthly costs. If you’re still unsure which method to use, you can read the Microsoft documentation and see our blog post about internet client management. Make sure that you understand the limitation of using internet clients.

We strongly encourage to use the SCCM Cloud Management Gateway if you’ll be managing client on the internet since this feature will evolve with time and the traditional way support should go away.

January 2021

This post has been updated to reflect recent addition with SCCM 2010 release.

The main new feature is Token-based authentication for clients.
Also added more tips and tricks to ease implementation

If you are not yet running SCCM 1806, but still would like to use Cloud Management Gateway, see our previous post

Here the available features supported through the Cloud Management Gateway:

In this post, we will configure an SCCM Cloud Management Gateway by using the Azure Resource Manager.

Some sections from our previous post are brought back here to ease reading.

SCCM CMG High-level steps

All steps are done directly in the SCCM console and from the Azure Portal. We will describe each step:

SCCM Cloud Management Gateway Prerequisites

Note

 Configuring the Cloud Management gateway with SCCM 1806 remove the requirement of an Azure Management certificate

Verify a unique Azure cloud service URL

We don’t need to create the cloud service in Azure, the Cloud Management Gateway setup will create the service. We just need to verify that the Azure cloud service URL is valid and unique.

  • Log in the Azure portal
  • In the Azure Portal, select Cloud Services on the left, click Add
  • Enter the desired DNS name
  • Validate that there’s a green checkmark on the right. If your name is not valid, a red X will display, choose a different name if it’s the case
  • Once your name is valid, take note of the name as it will be needed later. We will use SCDCMG as DNS Name for our example
  • Close the window, do not create the service now
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Verify Azure subscription’s Resource Provider

This is not documented in the official Cloud Management gateway docs from Microsoft, but 2 resource providers are now defaulted to Not Registered for newer Azure Subscription.
To validate the status, follow these steps

  • Log in the Azure portal
  • In the Azure Portal, select Cost management and billing
  • Click on Cost Management and select Go to subscription
    • If you see multiple subscriptions, select the one that will host the Cloud Management Gateway
  • Under the section Settings, select Resource Provider
  • Make sure Microsoft.ClassicCompute and Microsoft.Storage are registered. If not, select one and click on Register

Configure the Azure Service – Cloud Management

  • Go to Administration/Cloud Services/Azure Services and select Configure Azure Services
  • Specify a name and select Cloud Management, click Next
  • In this step, the Azure Administrator will be required to create the web app and native client app. Click on Browse for the Web app
  • Click on Create
  • Click the Sign in and provide Azure administrator credentials. Default names do just fine. Click OK when login completed
  • Select the App that was just created and click OK
  • Click Browse for the  Native client app.  Click Create
  • Click the Sign in and provide Azure administrator credentials. Default names do just fine. Click OK when login completed
  • Select the App that was just created and click OK
  • Click Next
  • Chose to Enable Azure Active Directory User Discovery or not.
Note

The Azure AD Discovery is not a requirement for Cloud Management gateway to work

  • Click Next
  • The Azure service is completed. If enabled, the AAD user discovery can be modified
  • the Azure AD Tenant is now configured

Cloud Management Gateway server authentication Certificate requirements

The certificate requirements are the most complex part of configuring the Cloud Management Gateway.

A certificate is needed between the SCCM server and the Cloud Management Gateway.

The following choices are available :

  • Use a certificate from a public trusted provider
    • This option requires a CNAME to be created in the DNS for CMGSCD.SystemCenterDudes.com to the real hostname CMGSCD.CloudApp.Net
  • Use a certificate from an enterprise CA
    • This certificate must be trusted by all computers that will connect with the Cloud Management Gateway
    • Use format <CMG name>.CloudApp.Net

The CMG server authentication certificate supports wildcards. Some certificate authorities issue certificates using a wildcard character for the service name prefix. For example, *.scd.com

For this post, we will use a certificate from an Enterprise CA.

Create and Issue a Custom Web Server Certificate Template on your Certification Authority

This procedure creates a custom certificate template that is based on the web server certificate template. The certificate will be used for the installation of the SCCM cloud management gateway and the private key must be exportable as it will be asked during installation.

  • In Active Directory, create a security group named SCCM Site Servers that contain your SCCM Primary Site server computer account
  • On the server running the Certification Authority, open the Certification Authority console (certsrv.mmc), right-click Certificate Templates and select Manage
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  • The Certificate Templates management console opens
  • Right-click the Web Server template and then select Duplicate Template
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  • In the Duplicate Template dialog box, ensure that Windows 2003 Server, Enterprise Edition is selected in Certification Authority
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  • In the General tab, enter a template name, like SCD SCCM Cloud Management Gateway. Change the validity period if needed. As a best-practice, the longer the validity period, the less secure is your certificate
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  • In the Request Handling tab, select Allow private key to be exported
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  • In the Security tab, remove the Enroll permission from the Enterprise Admins security group
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  • Choose Add, enter SCCM Site Servers in the text box, and then choose OK
  • Select the Enroll and Read permission for this group
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  • Choose OK, close Certificate Templates Console
  • Back in the Certification Authority (certsrv.mmc) console, right-click Certificate Templates, select New / Certificate Template to Issue
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  • In the Enable Certificate Templates dialog box, select the new template that you just created, SCD SCCM Cloud Management Gateway, click OK
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Request the custom web server certificate on the Primary Site Server

This procedure requests and then installs the newly created custom web server certificate on the Primary Site prior to the SCCM cloud management gateway installation

  • On the SCCM Server, run MMC
  • On the File Menu, choose Add/Remove Snap-in…  select Certificates, and click Add
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  • When prompted for what you want to manage certificates for, select Computer Account, click Next
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  • Select Local Computer and then click Finish
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  • Click OK to close the Add/Remove Snap-ins
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  • In the Add or Remove Snap-ins dialog box, choose OK.
  • In the console, expand Certificates (Local Computer) / Personal / Certificates
  • Right-click Certificates, select All Tasks / Request New Certificate
  • On the Before You Begin page, click Next
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  • If you see the Select Certificate Enrollment Policy page, choose Next
  • On the Request Certificates page, identify the SCD SCCM Cloud Management Gateway from the list of available certificates, and then select More information is required to enroll for this certificate. choose here to configure settings
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  • In the Certificate Properties dialog box, in the Subject tab
    • Subject name: in Type choose Common name
    • Value:  Specify your service name and your domain name by using an FQDN format. (For example: scdcmg.cloudapp.net) and select Add
    • Alternative name: in Type choose DNS
    • Value: Specify your service name and your domain name by using an FQDN format. (For example: scdcmg.cloudapp.net) and select Add
Important Info

In all cases this certificate will determine the name of the Cloud Management Gateway.

Only letters and numbers are allowed in the name.

A valid example is CMGSCD.cloudapp.net

An invalid example is CMG-SCD.cloudApp.Net

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  • Click OK to close the Certificate Properties dialog box
  • On the Request Certificates page, select SCD SCCM Cloud Management Gateway from the list of available certificates, click Enroll
  • On the Certificates Installation Results page, wait until the certificate is installed, click Finish
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Export Web Server Certificate

This procedure exports the custom web server certificate to file. We will export it as a .CER file for the Azure Management Certificate and in a .PFX format for the cloud management gateway creation.

.CER EXPORT

  • In the Certificates (Local Computer) console, right-click the SCD Cloud Management Gateway certificate that you just created, select All Tasks / Export
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  • In the Certificates Export Wizard, choose Next
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  • On the Export Private Key page, select No do not export the private key and click Next
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  • On the Export file format, select CER and click Next
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  • Save your certificate in a folder and close the wizard
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  • To close the wizard, click Finish in the Certificate Export Wizard page
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.PFX EXPORT

  • Redo the export task a second time
  • On the Export Private Key page, choose Yes, export the private key, click Next
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  • On the Export File Format page, ensure that the Personal Information Exchange – PKCS #12 (.PFX) option is selected
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  • On the Password page, specify a strong password to protect the exported certificate with its private key, and then click Next
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  • On the File to Export page, specify the name of the file that you want to export
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  • To close the wizard, click Finish in the Certificate Export Wizard page
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  • Close Certificates (Local Computer).

The certificate is now ready to be imported to create an SCCM Cloud Management Point Gateway.

Client Authentication

SCCM clients can authenticate on the Cloud Management gateway following one of these methods:

  • Devices are Azure AD joined (Hybrid AD Joined)
    • Azure AD registered device is not enough for authentication
    • This isn’t covered in this guide, but here’s more information from Microsoft Docs
  • Token-based authentication
    • This feature is only available from SCCM 2002 release and above
  • Client certificate using an Enterprise CA

Token-based authentication

This feature is only available from SCCM 2002 or higher. If you do not have an Enterprise CA and computers are not joined yet to Azure AD, this is a good alternative.


The token-based does not require any kind of configuration or enablement once SCCM is up to date with 2002 or higher. The most important part is that the update on the client-side is mandatory to use the Token-based authentication.

The way it is working is simple. The Management Point issue a token to the client to be authenticated on the Cloud Management gateway while connected on-prem. This token is then automatically renewed each month and is valid for up to 90 days.

Important Info

Microsoft still recommends using Azure AD joined to authenticate on the Cloud Management Gateway.

It is also possible to generate a bulk registration token to allow external devices for a first communication with the Cloud Management Gateway. This could be useful for devices in a DMZ for example.

For more details about Token-based authentication, see Microsoft docs

Client authentication certificate requirements

This method relies on an Enterprise CA to manage the client certificate.

If computers are Azure AD joined, or you have chosen to leverage the new Token-based authentication, this step can be skipped.

If you need to create a Client authentication certificate on your Enterprise CA, here’s the steps:

  • RDP to an Intermediate Certification Authority
  • Open Certification Authority console, right-click Certificate Templates and click Manage
  • Right-click Workstation Authentication and click Duplicate Template
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  • Make sure to use Server 2003, not 2008
  • In the General, name this SCCM Client Certificate
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  • Set the Validity Period to 5 years
  • Click on the Security tab, select the Domain Computers group and add the permissions of Read and Autoenroll, do not clear Enroll. Then click OK
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  • When you refresh your console, you will see that the new template is there

Create an Auto-Enroll Group Policy

A client certificate is required on any computer which will be managed via the Cloud Management Gateway. It is also required on the server that will host the Cloud Management Gateway connection point.

The fastest way to deploy the client certificate to all your machines is through an autoenrollment GPO :

  1. Launch Group Policy Management on your Domain (Start / Administrative Tools / Group Policy Management)
  2. Right-click the desired OU and select Create a GPO in this domain, and Link it here… as we are going to create a new GPO
  3. Name your GPO AutoEnroll ConfigMgr Client Cert, then click OK
  4. Right-click and Edit your newly created GPO
  5. Navigate to: Computer Configuration / Policies / Windows Settings / Security Settings / Public Key Policies
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  • Right-click on Certificate Services Client – Auto-Enrollment and then click Properties
  • Change the Configuration Model: to Enabled
  • Check the Update certificates that use certificate templates and Renew expired certificates, update pending certificates, and remove revoked certificates
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  • Click Apply and OK
  • Reboot a workstation and when you run a gpupdate /force or in 15 minutes when GP is re-applied, any machine on the domain communicating with the DC will request and receive a client certificate automatically that will be placed in theLocal Computer Personal Certificate Store

The easiest way to export the root of the client certificates used on the network is to get it on one of the domain-joined machines that receive it through your auto-enrollment GPO

Requirements

Client certificates are required on any computer you want to manage with cloud management gateway and on the site system server hosting the cloud management gateway connector point

  • Run MMC
  • From the File menu, choose Add/Remove Snap-in…
  • In the Add or Remove Snap-ins dialog box, choose Certificates / Add / Computer account / Local computer
  • Go to Certificates / Personal / Certificates
  • Double-click the certificate for client authentication on the computer, choose the Certification Path tab, and double-click the root authority (at the top of the path).
  • On the Details tab, choose Copy to File…
  • Complete the Certificate Export Wizard using the default certificate format. You’ll need it to configure the cloud management gateway (CMG) later

Configure SCCM Cloud Management Gateway

  • Go to Administration/Cloud Services/Cloud Management Gateway, select Create cloud management gateway
  • Sign-in with Azure Administrator rights. The Azure AD App name should be auto-populated, click Next
  • Select :
    • Service name: provided automatically if the certificate is using .cloudapp.net. If using a public certificate or an internal certificate, the name will need to be entered manually.
      • Remember, only letter and number for the name.
    • Region: should be the same as the on-prem Management point
    • Resource group: select an existing or create a new one
    • VM instance: 1
    • Cloud service certificate: select the CMG server authentication certificate or the Public certificate
    • Client authentication certificate: Provide the client authentication certificate when using an Enterprise CA
    • Choose to Verify client certificate revocation or not
    • Choose if you want to enable the Cloud DP
Note

 Depending on the certificate used, the following message will display. This will happen when the certificate is not pointing to .cloudapp.net.

This is a reminder about the CNAME requirements.

If you use a wildcard certificate, replace the asterisk (*) in the Service name field with the globally unique deployment name prefix for your CMG.

  • Set the threshold as needed
  • Summary, click Next
  • Click Close
  • The Cloud Management Gateway will show as Provisioning for about 10 minutes
  • The Cloud Management Gateway is ready for next steps
  • The cloud management gateway resources are also visible in the Azure portal.

Configure SCCM-generated certificates

This is a new feature from SCCM 1806, but still in Pre-Release. This means that this feature is still in development but is fully supported.

The goal of this feature is to enable an HTTP Management point and Software Update to support CMG traffic using HTTPS. Prior to SCCM 1806, it was needed to provide an HTTPS MP and SUP in order to connect those services to the Cloud Management Gateway.

  • Go to Administration/Updates and Servicing/Features
  • Turn on the feature Enhanced HTTP site system
  • Go to Administration/Site Configuration/Sites and select properties on your site
  • Under the Client computer communication tab, check to box for Use Configuration Manager-generated certificates for HTTP Systems

For more detail on the SCCM-Generated certificate, see Docs.Microsoft.com

The cloud management gateway connector point is a new site system role for communicating with cloud management gateway. Let’s add this role to our management point machine.

  • In the SCCM console, go to Administration / Site Configuration / Servers and Site System Roles
  • Select your server which will serve as your cloud management gateway connection point and select Add Site System Role
  • On the System Role Selection pane, select Cloud management gateway connection point
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  • Your Cloud Management Gateway name and region will be auto-populated
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  • Review your settings and complete the wizard
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You can follow the installation progress in SMS_Cloud_ProxyConnector.log.

Configure System roles to communicate with the Cloud Management Gateway

Prior to SCCM 1806, it was not possible for the current Management Point and Software Update Point to remain in HTTP mode and support the Cloud Management Gateway.

Admins were in need of a new Management Point and Software Update Point configured in HTTPS mode or to switch current ones.

Now with the SCCM-generated certificate, a current HTTP MP and SUP can support the Cloud Management Gateway.

  • Under Administration/Site Configuration/Servers and site System roles, select the Management Point properties
  • Check the box Allow Configuration Manager cloud management gateway traffic. Notice that the Client Connections remain in HTTP
  • Under Administration/Site Configuration/Servers and site System roles, select the Software Update Point properties
  • Check the box Allow Configuration Manager cloud management gateway traffic. Notice that the Require SSL communication to the WSUS remains unchecked

Configure SCCM CMG Client settings

Under Administrations/Client Settings, under Cloud Services make sure Enable clients to use a cloud management gateway is set to yes.

Once configure, deploy your client settings to the desired clients.

If you plan to use Cloud Distribution Point, it is also configured here.

In order to be able to see Applications deployment targeted to users, the following client setting is also required.

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Configure clients for cloud management gateway

We will now verify if clients are able to successfully communicate with our server via the SCCM Cloud Management Gateway.

On a client connected to the intranet, do a machine policy retrieval and restart the SMS Agent host.

On the Network tab of the Configuration Manager agent, the *.CloudAPP.net should be visible.

Additional information is available in the ClientLocation.log

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Testing client connection to Cloud Management gateway

To test the cloud management gateway (CMG), get your machine on the internet … or force the SCCM client to be configured as Always Internet.

In the registry editor, set HKLM/Software/Microsoft/CCM/Security/ClientAlwaysOnInternet to 1 and restart the SMS Agent host service.

After the SMS Agent host service, the client will display connection type Always internet

From this point, you can try any of the supported features for the Cloud Management Gateway!

Warning

Make sure to whitelist the address XXXX.cloudapp.net in your Enterprise Firewall. We’ve seen an issue with Cisco Umbrella blocking traffic thus preventing the Cloud connector point to keep the connection to the cloud management gateway.

The following error found in the SMS_CLOUD_PROXYCONNECTOR.log was showing Failed to build HTTP connection with XXXXX.CloudApp.Net. The cloud management gateway check the connection every 60 seconds

Bonus Resources for Troubleshooting

We released a complete troubleshooting guide in a separate post. Use it to troubleshoot your errors.

If you want to easily identify your CMG client, we have developed a free report.

This was a big one, hope it helped! Are you using the Cloud Management Gateway ? Tell us your experience in the comment section.

Comments (38)

Ronald

10.18.2018 AT 04:21 PM
Is it possible to have SCCM and Intune on a AAD joined machine only, without a CMG. We really on want SCCM to install software when the devices are on the Intranet only. Then we let Intune manage everything else.

Jonathan Lefebvre

10.19.2018 AT 10:40 AM
Hi Ronald, Yes you can use Co-Management (SCCM + Intune standalone) without the Cloud Management gateway. They are not related at all. Jonathan

Sameer

10.01.2018 AT 06:48 AM
We already have two separate environments with On Premise SCCM and Intune Managed Windows 10 devices. We are looking at setting up CoMgmt and have some control over the Intune managed devices for ex. Remote Control, Reporting features of SCCM. May I know what design changes would be required in our case from the above illustrated steps?

MARK ROGALSKI

09.24.2018 AT 08:52 AM
I was under the impression that this service could be set up without using AAD. Is that NOT the case?

Jonathan Lefebvre

09.25.2018 AT 12:12 PM
Hi Mark, the way documented in this post is without AAD. AAD can be used if you only have Windows 10 devices in Hybrid domain joined or Azure AD joined. hope this clear things thanks Jonathan

Annabel

09.20.2018 AT 12:58 PM
In this setup what if an azure ad joined machine comes onto the local network. Will it be able to communicate with a http management point?

Jonathan Lefebvre

09.20.2018 AT 02:27 PM
Hi Annabel, I believe it should as the SCCM agent will have connection type of Intranet at that point. The AAD joined machine as a more simple setup to authenticate against the CMG when outside of the reach of the on-prem Management Point Jonathan

Mike

09.20.2018 AT 11:58 AM
Thank you for this. I ran through this for our lab environment and I'm getting some errors. I apologize in advance for any formatting issues. SMS_CLOUD_PROXYCONNECTOR.LOG: ERROR: Failed to build Http connection 8adcf040-5723-4055-8597-0e17d43e21fd with server CMG.CLOUDAPP.NET:443. Exception: System.Net.WebException: The remote server returned an error: (990) BGB Session Ended.~~ at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetResponse()~~ at Microsoft.ConfigurationManager.CloudConnection.ProxyConnector.HttpConnection.Send(Boolean isProxyData, Byte[] data, Int32& statusCode, Byte[]& payload)~~ at Microsoft.ConfigurationManager.CloudConnection.ProxyConnector.ConnectionBase.Start()~~ at Microsoft.ConfigurationManager.CloudConnection.ProxyConnector.ConnectionManager.MaintainConnections() The error that follows is repeated with a bunch of different MessageIDs. SMS_CLOUD_PROXYCONNECTOR.LOG: "MessageID: e7f96f39-1090-4290-8356-53f3dce8294f RequestURI: http://CMG.CLOUDAPP.NET/SMS_MP/.sms_aut?SITESIGNCERT EndpointName: SMS_MP ResponseHeader: HTTP/1.1 404 CMGConnector_NotFound~~ ResponseBodySize: 4880 ElapsedTime: 1 ms On the client side I get a number of errors LocationServices.log: [CCMHTTP] ERROR: URL=https://CMG.CLOUDAPP.NET/CCM_PROXY_MUTUALAUTH/72057594037927999/SMS_MP/.sms_aut?SITESIGNCERT, Port=443, Options=1472, Code=0, Text=CCM_E_BAD_HTTP_STATUS_CODE [CCMHTTP] ERROR INFO: StatusCode=404 StatusText=CMGConnector_NotFound Raising event: instance of CCM_CcmHttp_Status { ClientID = "GUID:b190c666-e77f-43d1-a77b-4480b599397c"; DateTime = "20180920163242.595000+000"; HostName = "CMG.CLOUDAPP.NET"; HRESULT = "0x87d0027e"; ProcessID = 4440; StatusCode = 404; ThreadID = 1892; }; If I run the connection analyzer from the console I get the following message at the "testing the CMG channel for management point" step. Failed to get ConfigMgr token with Azure AD token. Status code is '500' and status description is 'CMGConnector_InternalServerError'. After getting those errors I figured I must have done something wrong so I blew it all out and started over. I made sure that I had the right certs loaded and exported but I'm getting the same errors. I can successfully distribute content to the cloud dp. The error that you mentioned relating to establishing the HTTP connection is different in my case so I'm not entirely sure where to go from here.

Jonathan Lefebvre

09.20.2018 AT 02:06 PM
Hey Mikes, did you modify the log you copied here? if not, CMG.Cloudapp.net is for sure not a valid entry. Go back to step one VERIFY A UNIQUE AZURE CLOUD SERVICE URL and validate the name you want to .cloudapp.net Jonathan

Mike

09.20.2018 AT 02:27 PM
Yes, I modified it. The actual name of that service is validated in azure, I just didn't want to post it here. In any event, I think I've got it working. I had set the connection point up on a new mp and after digging through more logs I found that bgbisapi.msi couldn't get installed because BITS was not installed when the mp was installed (I thought that was automatic but I guess it isn't). I enabled BITS then restarted the site component manger and after that the missing components were installed. From there the bad responses in CMG_CLOUD_PROXYCONNECTOR.log cleared up and were replaced with "ResponseHeader: HTTP/1.1 200 OK" and "ResponseHeader: HTTP/1.1 280 BGB Session Continued". The connection analyzer also reports success so I think I'm good. Thanks

Brandon Hofmann

01.25.2019 AT 12:17 PM
Thank you very much for posting this solution - I've been dealing with the exact same issue, and your steps resolved it. I just enabled BITS, restarted the Site Component Manager, and was all set after that! Thank you again, and thank you in general for this site, it's hugely beneficial!!

Jonathan Lefebvre

09.20.2018 AT 02:29 PM
good news! and also a good catch. Thanks for sharing Jonathan